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Noelio Abrunhosa

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Recomended sealants?
« on: March 15 2017, 20:27 »
hi Everyone.
i am about to start stripping and resealing some of the loose deck fittings that are leaking on my boat. i believe Sikaflex is the one to use but i see they make many different types. Any recommendations?

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #1 on: March 15 2017, 23:14 »
There are two broad types of Sika. One is primarily a sealant and the other an adhesive which seals but makes subsequent removal more difficult. However Butyl is more commonly used for deack fittings, either  from a tube of in tape form.

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #2 on: March 16 2017, 00:15 »
I use Arbomast BR.  It's butyl based and Tom Cuncliff I remember recommended this type. Used it to seal cockpit drains.  Worked well and was easy to use and clean up afterwards.  It's also fairly cheap which is a change!!!
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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #3 on: March 16 2017, 11:49 »
Couple options, depending on the type of fitting. For anything that will not have an exposed sealant surface, e.g. mooring cleats, tracks, U-bolts, hatches, chainplates, etc., butyl (window glazing) tape is best. This is almost the same stuff as blu-tack and comes in black or white. You stick a sausage of it on, tighten it up, then wait a day (that's the important bit), and then tighten up again. Then cut off the stuff that has squeezed out with a putty knife. It never sets, so remains flexible forever. Completely waterproof and relatively easy to remove when needed. Downside is that any exposed butyl surface will remain sticky forever and thus attract lots of dirt, so you can't use it in situations where you need a sealant bevel or some such.

Medium strength PU based adhesive sealant (Sikaflex 291i) is commonly used for situations where you have exposed sealant, e.g. when filling gaps. You could use a pure sealant instead of an adhesive sealant, but the pure sealant often does not adhere to surfaces as well, which is why this stuff is so popular. It's also sandable, useful if you're using it anywhere near timber or want to varnish over it. There is a high-strength version (292), which you should not use unless you really really need the extra strength and don't want to take it apart again ever.

Then there is Arbomast BR, a butyl sealant in a cartridge that stays very flexible like butyl tape, but will (slowly) achieve a surface cure, thus not attracting dirt. Only place I've found this useful was on the stanchion feet on my boat, and for sealing leaking deck cable glands on another one.

For teak decks there is finally deck caulking, which is more rubbery, cures harder, has high UV and chemical resistance and is well suited for sanding, but even messier to apply than 291 and about twice as expensive. Common ones include TDC, Sabacaulk and Sikaflex 290dc.

Factors that influence sealant choices include UV stability (any exterior stuff that isn't completely enclosed), acid resistance (several common teak deck mistreatment products destroy sealants) and fuel resistance when used anywhere near fuel fittings.

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #4 on: March 16 2017, 21:12 »
hi all

Thanks for the info. will be trying to sort out leaks this weekend so hope it goes well
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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #5 on: March 16 2017, 22:01 »
You may find the series of u-tube videos on "follow the boat" most useful, its a great channel and they follow the whole refit of a oyster 40 something over a year in Phuket. Jamie and Liz are friends and we are supporters on Patreon.
Jamie goes in to depth on sealing of various fittings and bits and bobs to the boat.

As Yngmar says Butyl plays a big pat in the 50+ videos. Good to watch, better than Eastenders!! :-)

Take a look here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RiC2bsE9TY&list=PLoE3FmplhAXNsNWWZ6iTMzYYwKVtDanCr

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #6 on: March 17 2017, 09:06 »
Hi try looking up the details of a sealant called CT1  its new.  I have problems with the caulking on my decks and was advised to use this.  I have not done so yet as waiting for summer months.  Apparently it can be used in the rain or even under water. 

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #7 on: March 17 2017, 14:19 »
Hi try looking up the details of a sealant called CT1  its new.  I have problems with the caulking on my decks and was advised to use this.  I have not done so yet as waiting for summer months.  Apparently it can be used in the rain or even under water.

CT1 is a polyurethane similar to Sika 291i - but cheaper and aimed at the construction market, although it can be used for sealing on boats. Not new - has been around for some time. Not suitable for deck caulking. You need specialist deck caulk as in yngmar's post above.

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #8 on: March 17 2017, 22:37 »
Yes I agree with Old Salt.
In my former life I was a polymer chemist. - The chemistry of urethanes belongs to everyone.
I use construction polyurethanes on my boat for sealing.
The difference between a sealant and an adhesive is the amount of filler used
- high for sealants ( highly viscous and mouldable)
- low for sealants (low viscosity and runny)

I think the name "marine" on the label is there to justify the high price!.

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #9 on: March 21 2017, 16:17 »
I used Sika 292 on the external rubber gaitor cover at the sail drive after the bostik recommended failed for the 2nd time. Worked really well, but will have to report back later on ease of removal.
I use Sika 291 on deck fittings, but I know the cheaper "non marine" alternative works equally well.
Both make the same mess of your clothes when you are considering starting a job and then find yourself fully engaged in it and covered in the stuff before you have had any consideration for putting on overalls.

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Re: Recomended sealants?
« Reply #10 on: March 21 2017, 21:15 »
hi Thanks Neil. after reading many reviews ,recommendations and specifications decided to go with sika 291. my decision of this over butyl is butyl degrades with uv and also does not do well with cleaning chemicals fuel spills etc. a tip i found in a lot of places is to tighten the bolts after applying , let it cure a while then re torque it. the thought behind it, is makes a gasket then you tension it. will be doing some fittings Saturday and post results later.