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Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« on: April 01 2022, 17:22 »
Hey everybody!

Buying my first sailboat on the western Swedish coast. A 2007 Bavaria 30 Cruiser, 1.4 draft. Making a deposit and now doing a survey in a couple weeks. A few questions...

The vessel was in the water so I'm not 100 percent of which keel it has... the 1.4 meter is considered the standard keel? Is that the keel in this picture?
https://www.cruisingworld.com/sailboats/bavaria-30-cruiser-photo-gallery/

What kind of upwind performance could I expect with that keel? How bad will upwind performance be? What kind of cruising speed can one expect from this vessel under sail? I saw on sailboat data she's a bit underpowered.

Also what kind of issues should I be on the lookout for with the surveyor? Besides the standard stuff, water in the oil of the sail drive etc. The boat look incredibly dry on the interior. Couldn't find a drop of water staining anywhere and smelled fresher than myself. When I ran the heater on max it had two dials so I just ran both at 30? Are their two heaters? I found a lot of moisture in the compartment where the 1 heater is, behind the after berth inside where the rudder post is and other hoses. I just assumed it was the hot/ cold air mixture in their, because all the hoses look good and it was snowing outside.

We couldn't get power to the nav station but I was just pressing electrical buttons because it wasn't labeled but an outline of the boat. Then one of the lights kept blinking. Does that indicate a breaker was tripped? It wasn't red.  Was really confused on the electrical panel.. thought the icons would make it simple. I'm used to a switchboard with labels on every switch. Maybe I was overthinking it. The chart plotter was removed and stored at the seller's (in case of theft).

Thanks for the advice, it looks like a fun and comfortable boat. I am hoping to spend most of the summer on her cruising around after painting, polishing her top sides and whatever else the surveyor uncovers.  :))

Cheers everybody

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Re: Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« Reply #1 on: April 01 2022, 19:25 »
Yes, that is the shallow draft keel. The design (known as "Warwick) after the person who thought up the idea) is supposed to retain the windward performance of the deeper keel. It was very fashionable at the time, but has fallen out of favour. a member of our club bought a 30 with that keel  new in 2007 and still has it - very satisfied with the boat. I have had 2 shallow draft Bavarias, a 2001 37 and a 2015 33. The former was not very good - too shallow, but it was bought with a view to going through the French canals, but the latter, which I have just sold was very good. Difficult to say what sort of cruising speed you can expect as much depends on sails and then how hard you want to push the boat. They, like most Bavarias are family cruising boats and are capable of good passage times comparable with similar size cruising boats.

The interior should be dry as there are no obvious natural sources for water to enter the interior of the boat.. Can't comment on the heating system as it was a factory option and some dealers fitted stsrems locally. The usual is a hot air Eberpascher or Webasto in the lazarette as you have found with outlets in the aft cabin, saloon and heads, although there might also be an outlet in the forecabin.

The switch panel has individual switches for the 12v circuits with icons - the details are in the owners handbook. The outline of the boat just indicates which lighting circuits are on. all the other circuits should light up at the switch when on. The flashing light may well be indicating that the water tank is empty. Have a look in the Downloads section of the Help secrion and you will find a downloadable copy of the handbook and wiring diagram on the second page.

Good luck with the survey and hope yu become another happy Bavaria owner.

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Re: Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« Reply #2 on: April 01 2022, 20:53 »
1.4m is the shallow draft tandem keel. The normal keel is 1.85m draft.

There's a manual with specs here: https://bavariayacht.org/downloads/manual/Bavaria%2030%20Cruiser%202006.pdf

That's for the earlier 2006 boat, the later 2007 ones apparently have the (worse) electronical button panel instead of regular switches.

The two heater controls are either for two heaters, or for two separate fan radiators in a hydronic heating system. Look around. If there's big (8-10cm diameter) ducts going from the heater, it's an air system, if there's only small hoses it's a hydronic system.

Water in the stern area may be from a leak, often from the top rudder bearing (where the emergency tiller attaches on deck).
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Re: Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« Reply #3 on: April 02 2022, 09:50 »
Yes the boat's setup for Swedish style moorings close to rocks, they've built a small bow sprit with a ladder on the bow, along with a anchoring system on the aft. I guess I wasn't looking for a shallow keel but maybe it will come in useful as I would like to anchor a lot when I go for longer cruises.

Thank you for the replies. Can you guys link to any good threads on here about the 2007 Bavaria 30?

You're right the electric panel's the 07' version. I read through the 06' manual and it will just take me a little bit of time to learn every button and switch on the 07' panel. When you say the pane's inferior is it a matter of the layout visual appearances that is the weakness? Is their any actual design flaw other than being a bit confusing from a user perspective?


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« Reply #4 on: April 02 2022, 10:11 »
I have had both panels. The older type has "conventional" switches and fuses for each circuit and the later electronic type has just buttons with icons for each circuit. The fuses and relays that switch the circuits are on a circuit board probably behind one of the settees. Looks pretty daunting, but there is a very clear diagram in the handbook showing the location of each fuse. The older type is probably easier to trouble shoot and fix but to be honest never had a problem with the later type and once you have worked out what the icons mean is easy to operate.

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Re: Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« Reply #5 on: April 02 2022, 10:21 »
Thanks for clearing up the differences. I am sure with enough staring at the manual, the panel and the switchboard I'll get a decent understanding.  :o

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Re: Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« Reply #6 on: April 03 2022, 13:47 »
Are Bavaria 30's foam cored like Etaps and Sadlers?

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« Reply #7 on: April 03 2022, 16:02 »
No. They have, like just about every other modern boat, foam in both the hull above the waterline and deck layup, but not 2 skins with closed cell foam injected between the two like some Sadlers and Etaps.

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Re: Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« Reply #8 on: April 04 2022, 09:36 »
Could you guess/ estimate how much diesel the Volvo Penta D1-20 burns per hour finding a sweet spot between RPM's and speed?

Also how does the hot water system operate? It gets hot water from the diesel engine as well as shore power?

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« Reply #9 on: April 04 2022, 10:00 »
1.5l an hour average. 2300rpm +/- should give 5.5 knots with standard 2 blade propeller. Yes, hot water from engine and for shorepower an immersion heater in the tank under the aft cabin bunk. should be a switch for it on the 240v panel, but check that it is plugged into the socket under the bunk.

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Re: Deposit and Survey Bavaria 30 Cruiser
« Reply #10 on: April 04 2022, 19:35 »
Congratulations for your good decision.
Here some experiences with our Bav 30c from 2007.
"What kind of upwind performance could I expect with that keel? " With sails from 2007 and accurate sailing about 45° to the real wind, not more.
"What kind of cruising speed can one expect from this vessel under sail?" 6 knots are easily possible.
"Also what kind of issues should I be on the lookout for with the surveyor?": I'll send you our survey as a PM.

What else? With the 1.4m keel manoevring under engine with stronger wind could be an issue. Never had this problem with other boats for many  decades, but this Bav is different. Like a cork on the water. My wife wanted to sell it after 1 year again. Finally we invested in a 2 days harbour training with a professional tall ship captain. Problem solved. Better and cheaper than a bow thruster which shall not be effective in our boats.

Frank