running rigging measurments (Bav34 1999)

[cheshire]

Hi all!
This is my first message here so first of all I want to say "hello"
I'm far away from my candy but planning to go there in nearest future for pleasure as well as to make some works on it. And the main desire is to change all running rigging which is in terrible condition. BUT(!) third day I'm trying to find some dimensions without any result.
PLEASE! may be someone has a 34 Bavaria 1999 (10.80) or has some documentations or know the place where I can ask this information - any help required!
As all I know is about Jib sheet LOA+3 each but as you know all ropes should be ordered first so I wil have no time to order and receive when will be near the boat.
Thanks for help!

[Symphony]

The mast height is approx 12m so halyards will be around 26m if at the mast and 32m if going back to the cockpit. So you will get roughly 3 halyards to the cockpit or 4 to the mast out of a 100m of 10mm. rope. Mainsheet  may also be 10mm but length will depend on how it is set up. Topping lift can be 8mm, again 26 or 32m depending on where it goes.

[cheshire]

Thanks! Will try to purchase with this recommendations but have some more questions:
Jib sheets are 14mm dia I think that they was install by previous owner so I will install 14mm new one I think as its comfortable to operate.
And regarding halyards is it will be ok to change it to 12mm instead of 10mm as well as a mainsheet? 10mm is not comfortable for me..
And maybe someone know length for boom vang and traveler ropes (i think boom vang is 10mm dia and traveler rope is near 8mm) as well as which dia should be the rope for backstay adjuster?
With many thanks! 

[Ricd]

By Bav 34 has in mast main so halyard lenght not relevant to you.  However:

1. Kicker/vang/backstay purchase/out haul/topping lift/halyards are all 10mm braid on braid
2. Main sheet is 12mm
3. Head sail sheets are 14mm
4. traveller lines are 8mm

cheers
Richard

[cheshire]

Thanks all!
Just about mainsheet length - I think its adjusted like 4:1 (or this is 6:1?) I attached a photo to be sure. To not purchase much more as the ropes are not so cheap..
And what about the average length of:  Kicker/vang/backstay and  traveller lines?

Till this moment I have this data for purchasing:
1. I will purchase near 120m of 10mm for halyards and topping lift (this will be something technological like dinema or equivalent).
2. 22m of 14mm for genoa (jib)
3. 12m of 8mm for traveler lines

And now I should to understand:
X? of 10mm for boom vang
X? of 12mm for mainsheet
X? of 10mm for backstay

May be someone can make measurements for own boat? Are we have some manual for Bavaria boats?? I think it should be something like car manuals about where the lockers are and which type of tire should we install??

Thanks and Regards,

[Symphony]

Don't see any need for Dyneema on a cruising boat with a furling mainsail. Braid on Braid is fine. More important for ease of handling and fine tuning is to have a continuous reefing line for the main taken back to the cockpit.

[cheshire]

Don't see any need for Dyneema on a cruising boat with a furling mainsail. Braid on Braid is fine. More important for ease of handling and fine tuning is to have a continuous reefing line for the main taken back to the cockpit.

If you mean "unending rope" or it can be called "0" rope - it is present there to "reef" or remove the main in mast.

So maybe anyone know where to find our Bavaria handbook? And what about those 3 length which we haven't defined?
Thank you and this forum!

[Symphony]

Yes, could be described as an O rope. Not all boats are fitted with it from the factory. It goes through two clutches on the starboard side and around the drum on the mast.

The handbook won't help you with rigging lengths. It is very basic and just meets the minimum requirements of CE legislation. It does, however have wiring diagrams which are useful if you have electrical problems. You can get a copy in PDF form from the Bavaria factory. I assume your boat is an ex-charter boat. If so handbooks tend to disappear over time! - and boats get changed from standard as bits tend to wear out quicker than private boats.

[cheshire]

Yes, could be described as an O rope. Not all boats are fitted with it from the factory. It goes through two clutches on the starboard side and around the drum on the mast.

Yep! Its present on my.

The handbook won't help you with rigging lengths. It is very basic and just meets the minimum requirements of CE legislation. It does, however have wiring diagrams which are useful if you have electrical problems. You can get a copy in PDF form from the Bavaria factory. I assume your boat is an ex-charter boat. If so handbooks tend to disappear over time! - and boats get changed from standard as bits tend to wear out quicker than private boats.

This was private boat and it was in pretty good condition at all but I think that the previous owner didn't use sails often so rigging was just from factory. Sails was from factory too. On ex-charter boat all rigging was changed as well as sails. I saw some during buying process. The charter boats look more well maintained but in the details are very worn out (charter company never give boat with worn out rigging or sails to clients but engine is used ) but this is another one thread I think..

So. May be someone know this lengths or know how to calculate:
X? of 10mm for boom vang
X? of 12mm for mainsheet
X? of 10mm for backstay
as I'm steel didnt make an order:)

Have a nice day to all!

[Ricd]

On boat tomorrow so will measure the three lines you require.  My boat is  B34 2000 with in-mast main as yours is.

Just one point, if you buy a large quantity of rope for many lines (halyards/T lift etc...), they will all end up being of same colour which may cause some difficulties in differentiating lines in a  hurry.

Cheers
Richard

[cheshire]

On boat tomorrow so will measure the three lines you require.  My boat is  B34 2000 with in-mast main as yours is.

Just one point, if you buy a large quantity of rope for many lines (halyards/T lift etc...), they will all end up being of same colour which may cause some difficulties in differentiating lines in a  hurry.

Cheers
Richard

Thanks Richard!
As well as want to thank you for advice but I planned from the beginning to purchase a different colors for different lines. That's why am asking about lengths for each type of ropes. Will waiting for your measurements.
Regards,
Aleksandr.

[cheshire]

Richard

Where are you, friend?

[Ricd]

My apologies...we arrived late at boat and set sail...then i simply forgot to measure them.  Back down on Friday so will measure and post straight away from my iPad.  Putting an alarm in my phone righ now to remind me.

Again sorry

[cheshire]

My apologies...we arrived late at boat and set sail...then i simply forgot to measure them.  Back down on Friday so will measure and post straight away from my iPad.  Putting an alarm in my phone righ now to remind me.

Again sorry

Thanks for your reply! Will waiting some information with patience!
Have a nice week.

[cheshire]

ehh..

[Ricd]

Main = 25m
Vang= 11m
Traveller = 4.5m per side
Out haul = 16m

Again sorry for delay....no wifi until today

[cheshire]

Main = 25m
Vang= 11m
Traveller = 4.5m per side
Out haul = 16m

Again sorry for delay....no wifi until today

Many many thanks! 

[Ricd]

Oh and remember the backstay tension ...c.12m