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David Toms

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Transom Bathing Platform
« on: November 02 2011, 16:56 »
Could you assist -Bavaria 31 2008.  It has an electro/hydraulic bathing platform/transom.  When we press the up/down button the motor runs but the platform will not go down.  there seems to be a hydraulic lock in the system which  drives the pump but nothing happens.   the yacht is in virtually new condition having only used this bathing platform up/down 20 times max.  Clipper Marine suggest running the motor/pump and press the button to go down, and then manually push the platform at the same time.  This does not work.  They also say that the two operating cylinders may be sticking which I think is a crazy notion. Would appreciate any advice as to how we can overcome this problem.  Perhaps some of you have this problem also.  Thank you.

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #1 on: November 07 2011, 14:34 »
HI,
No good news for you,sorry.
I own a 38 Cruiser with that electric platform which is a nightmare since new.
The parts (2 electric arms) are VERY expensive and don't last too long so I'm using a rope and waiting for a better idea...
If you get any please share.
IMHO this is a huge glich by Bavaria,the whole platform is badly made and I feel very unsafe using it.

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #2 on: November 07 2011, 16:29 »
seems to be a hydraulic lock in the system which  drives the pump but nothing happens...
Any seepage of hydraulic fluid? Is there a top-up reservoir?
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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #3 on: November 08 2011, 16:45 »
I haven't heard Bavaria chiming in on any of the problems I've read hear.  I'm sure the are aware of this forum by now.  What's up with that?????
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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #4 on: November 09 2011, 12:51 »
I haven't heard Bavaria chiming in on any of the problems I've read hear.  I'm sure the are aware of this forum by now.

I'm not sure if Bavaria are aware of the forum yet, although Clipper Marine are. Even so, it is unlikely that they would be able to spare the resources to have someone monitor the forum. If enough forum members contact them, perhaps they would take an interest.
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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #5 on: November 09 2011, 20:44 »
Maybe if we can show Bavaria how many boat owners think their electric bathing platform idea was a very bad one they'll come up with a better solution?
So,how many boat owners hate this platform? Lets make a survay?

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #6 on: December 23 2012, 08:05 »
I think the best solution here was to remove the electric mechanism and just counterweight it, as they have on the 2010+ 32/33 models. Works fine. Simple is best.

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #7 on: December 23 2012, 10:30 »
2008 38 Cruiser,SAME problem almost since new!
NO use buying new arms/motors,they are expensive @#&$...!
I'm using a rope for up/down and put 2 pieaces of chain to replace the electric arms for platform security...
A VERY poor example of "German engineering"!
Lets send a group letter to Bav with ALL our problems with that platform and ask for a solution?

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #8 on: December 31 2012, 12:01 »
So...
Will someone with better English then mine compose a letter to Bav?
I'm ready to send it with all our names & boat VIN's and try to push this issue forward.
OR all we'll do is complane here to each other ? :)))
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« Reply #9 on: February 03 2013, 19:16 »
Since NO one replyed   I wrote to Bav myself...
Hope you'll find it useful...I didn't :(

thank you for your inquiry. According to my experience as a yacht technician a malfunction of a transom bathing platform sometimes may result from a lack of synchronization.

This can happen if the technical inspection of the boat is not been arried out periodically by a professional (first service after ½ year) to align and synchronize the drives after the materials settled and the yacht was rigged.

 

The two electrical drives do not work exactly parallel as long as they are not lined out and synchronized correctly. This process is carried out during production of a Bavaria Sailing Yacht, but after a few month the components have settled and should be lined out again once more. This is one of the reasons why Bavaria initialized the periodical service.

If the drive rods are not lined out and synchronized correctly this can eventually lead to a difference in power consumption between the drives which may result into shutdown of the electronic control because of higher ampere than the end switch is tolerating as a result of the two drives working against each other. This means that your push the button to open the transom and after moving a few centimeters (inch) the bathing platform stops. In that case you can open the platform by pushing the button in the opposite direction (up) shortly until the bathing platform moves up a fraction and then continue to push the button down. Eventually this process has to be repeated to fully open the platform. This is to be understood as a compromise until the installation is lined out and synchronized correctly.

 

This is not a construction based failure. The cases from which we know are limited and usually appear on those ships where the periodical qualified service has not been carried out. If you only look at the expressions in an internet forum it seems like many people have the same problem, but in fact ONLY the people who have that problem are reacting there. The majority of Bavaria owners who?s bathing platforms are working properly usually do not respond in public to tell that their material is doing fine.   

 

In most cases the following advice cures the unwanted stopping of the platform while you push the up/down button.

 

1                 Take the rings and the bolts out of the outer ends of the drive while the platform is open (horizontal).



2             Push the button to let the drives completely go out until they get stopped by the end shut off.

3             Turn the thinner end rods clockwise (in) or anticlockwise (out) until the bolts fit freely into their holes at the fittings on top of the bathing platform.

4             If there is not enough way you can also adjust the distance on the other end where the electric drives are connected to the cockpit floor.

5             Put the bolts and rings back and make sure the bolts can be moved sideways without resistance (free play).

 

Additionally the drives may be opened at the electrical motor side (grey cover) and the cover thread and rubber seal can be reprotected with grease to keep moisture out. It is also possible to turnout the smaller end rods of the drives completely to grease the spindles. This should be self evident part of every periodical service of all electrical/mechanical parts, especially when in maritime use.

 

Another way to improve the function of the platform drives is to adjust the power. The control box for the platform drives has 4 micro switches which can be adjusted from 4.5 to 5.0 ampere closing (up) power. This might be a possibility in colder surroundings or in the colder season when the mechanical parts and grease create more resistance.

Please refer to the following diagram for adjustments:

 



 

Translation: Schalterstellung = switch position / Segelboot = Sailboat / Ausgang = Exit / Auf = open / Zu = close

 

If one wants? to change to a mechanical solution our dealers offer a conversion kit for most models like we offered as standard when electric operation of the bathing platform became an optional feature. Another alternative may be the use of a Pulley (block and tackle) and take out the electric drives.

 


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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #10 on: November 30 2014, 18:13 »
Hello people,

Do you know from where I can buy the transom actuators please? I need one for my Bavaria 38.

Thanks in advance

Jezz

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #11 on: November 30 2014, 20:26 »
I am afraid that Bavaria is the ONLY source for them.
I could not find the manufacturer for this poorly made setting anywhere.
My advise is save your hundreds of euros, THIS thing is hopeless and will last only for a season or two max.
This is the ONLY part of my boat I really hate!
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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #12 on: January 28 2015, 10:30 »
I have same problems with the bathing platform .
Could somebody point me to Bavaria manual conversion kit .

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #13 on: February 05 2015, 10:27 »
I can post a photo of a conversion to pulleys that is a work in progress. Found that around 8:1 is needed to rais and lower without busting ones' ring! Just need to make up some strops of the correct length to hide the pulleys a bit and so they do not chafe on the lift up floor.

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PS the reason for replacing is I had one electric ram fail. Got some water in it and burnt out - fancy that! Cost to replace is around $550 AUD. cost of pulleys etc to date $180AUD
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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #14 on: February 08 2015, 21:27 »
Could you post a pic. I think I will go down the same route.

I have 2010 B34. Same problem with mine , one has completely failed. I have written to bavaria for a manual system but to date they have not replied. (poor)

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #15 on: February 09 2015, 17:37 »
YES!
Pictures and more info please.
Lets solve this bug ourselves. Bavaria will not help us here.

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #16 on: February 09 2015, 18:42 »
Would it be possible to retro-fit the gas strut hinges from the current Cruiser range?  My platform lifts with fingertip ease.

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #17 on: February 15 2015, 16:24 »
Yeah, that "fingertip ease" on the new cruiser line is painful for those of us with the old design flaw to see Tiger79! I seem to recall, from when I first saw the new cruisers, that the gas struts would not be easily retrofitted. But perhaps you can upload a few pics of your transom to help us poor sods with the old ones see?

One thing I'd suggest anyone with the old system doing (which was recommended to me by the dealer here) is disconnecting the power to one arm and disconnecting the cotter pin such that only one arm is moving the transom up and down. This eliminates the issue of any unsynch between the arms and resulting noise/stutter/stopping and also leaves a back up arm for when one corrodes (as they are prone to) and fails. Things work WAY better with just one arm. The arms are not really part of the weight bearing anyway when the gate is down (which is also poor and something to back up with webbing off the rail as I know one person who had the tabs fail such that the gate was beyond 90 degrees). I did this one arm approach for 3 seasons before the arm failed (and was badly corroded inside) and I went to the other arm. I've also bought one backup arm from Bavaria (about $250) that I have at home, as I've been putting off and avoiding going to a fully manual system.

Hope this suggestion is helpful. It's clear from all the rants about this over the years that Bavaria is not feeing obligated to properly solve this, which is really annoying. By the way, has anyone else noticed that their transom gate is waterlogged? You can only tell when the arms are disconnected and you lift/lower it by hand and hear sloshing (plus feel the weight). I was horrified to discover this last year (not sure where the ingress was from, perhaps the holes for the boarding ladder) and have a "to do" on fixing this...probably involving drilling a couple of drainage holes on the underside. Anyone else out there facing the same, and any ideas for dealing with it?

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #18 on: February 15 2015, 16:53 »
But perhaps you can upload a few pics of your transom to help us poor sods with the old ones see?

There's not much to see, I imagine the gas struts are hidden inside the platform.  Twin stainless wire strops take the weight of the lowered platform.


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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #19 on: February 16 2015, 05:35 »
Thanks for the pic. That's a really sweet system and great looking stern. Wanna trade?

I suppose one might be able to do something similar using gas struts to replace the motor arms. Getting the perfect size could be a challenge.

I'll noodle on this a bit more next time I have the swim grid down. Thanks again.

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #20 on: February 16 2015, 10:40 »
"The arms are not really part of the weight bearing anyway when the gate is down (which is also poor and something to back up with webbing off the rail as I know one person who had the tabs fail such that the gate was beyond 90 degrees)"

VERY unsafe to use the gate with only ONE arm!
I tried it in the past and almost fell into the water when the plastic base of the arm broke and the gate went down over the 2 small metal stoppers.

I still think that Bavaria should offer us a better solution for this poorly and dangerously designed part!
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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #21 on: February 17 2015, 19:18 »
I wonder if a couple of Instatrim trim tab cylinders could be adapted in parallel?

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« Reply #22 on: February 18 2015, 07:51 »
Well Solar, we may simply have to agree to disagree on this one. When the gate is fully down, those two little metal tabs are taking all the load, albeit in a terribly designed and cantilevered manner which is why I advise the webbing to offset some of the load onto the rail (regardless of whether you use one arm or two...I did this for 2 years while I was using both arms).

The arms aren't designed or capable of taking much load, which is why the gate needs to be fully onto the tabs to offset the arms being  loaded and breaking as yours did. I've used one arm for years with zero problems, as their only real function is to lower and raise the swim grid.

As I mentioned, it was the Bavaria dealer here who suggested this approach to me, and I seem to recall it was Bavaria in Germany who told him of this approach. I'd encourage any of you with the old gates to try it and see what you think; you'll double the life of your motorized transom system plus see a more quiet and smooth up/down operation.

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #23 on: February 18 2015, 08:41 »
Dear Battuta,
With ALL due respect to your ONE ARM suggestions...
It is like a suggestion to a 4 cylinder car owner to use only 2 of them to extend his motor life time...
To put 2 people with some gear in their hands {200+kg}on that heavy gate {40+kg}hoping those 2 small soft metal side stoppers to hold ALL that weight safely above the open water below...well good luck with that!
I hope you will agree that we all deserve a better example of German engineering from our Bavaria Yachts?
The sad fact that after so many years of ownership we still do not have one is partly OUR fault!
Would we except such a glitch from our car manufactures? I do not think so!

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Re: Transom Bathing Platform
« Reply #24 on: February 20 2015, 07:03 »
Hey Solar,

Yup, I agree with your criticism of Bavaria on this.

But I disagree with your analogy and concerns about using one arm for the reasons I've previously explained (and the fact I've done it for 3 years with no problems). Those tabs are massively thick stainless steel and their purpose is to take all the load, poorly designed as that is. I know it's poorly designed because the only other person with a B31 in Canada had his tabs rotate and bend (despite both motor arms being used, which just goes to show what little strength they add) such that his grid slowly worked its way down to beyond 90 degrees. That's when both of us started using the webbing/strap system to reduce loading on those tabs, which I'd urge you to do too even if you keep both your motor arms attached.

Hope this perspective is helpful. But don't hold your breath for Bavaria to solve all this. Eventually I'm just going to modify things to a fully manual system. Just too lazy right now while the arms continue to work.