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Member Forums => Scuttlebutt => Topic started by: The Other Woman on March 19 2020, 16:16
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Hi all
I am open to idea's.
Where do you think we can go if we are not on lockdown.
Armchair sailor.
😭
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To a bay to anchor in isolation
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Within national Borders most likely. Most of the Baltic states have closed even EU-borders.
Tommi
S/y Anniina
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Rural communities on the Scottish West Coast are now asking visitors NOT to visit, Tiree and Mull being just two examples,
They are very concerned that the local medical services could be overwhelmed .....So maybe our summer sailing will be somewhat local this year.
(and I believe some Welsh communities have also requested something similar)
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Hey thanks for the info, if we keep posting which marinas are closing it will help with are planning, having said that yes I realise we should phone first. If a lot close we might all meet up at the same marinas. That's if we don't get locked down.
Armchair Sailor : >:(
Mick
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With a lot of luck, maybe late in the season we can cruise around whichever country we're stuck in (Italy for us). Likely that borders to other countries may remain closed for longer. No need to hurry with getting the boat ready.
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Greek coast and islands closed since yesterday ...
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Stuck in Gouvia marina on Corfu, came out to re caulk the teak decks. Looks like I’ll have time to do lots of jobs on the boat. It has been wonderful weather until yesterday and now raining.
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....So maybe our summer sailing will be somewhat local this year.
Did I really say that only two days ago.....?
Well, we've just arranged with our boatyard to keep the boat on its cradle for the duration of this crisis...however long that may be.
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It'll be like old times for some of us oldies who remember life before marinas.
Plenty of anchorages to enjoy around the coast and harbours.
Looking forward to it
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It'll be like old times for some of us oldies who remember life before marinas.
Plenty of anchorages to enjoy around the coast and harbours.
Looking forward to it
I assume your post is 'tongue in cheek'.
I think you would be rather unpleasantly surprised by the reaction of the 'locals' to a 'leisure yacht' turning up in their vicinity.
The welcome you would receive is likely to be extremely unfriendly..........Try to see it from their point of view....Bill
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It'll be like old times for some of us oldies who remember life before marinas.
Plenty of anchorages to enjoy around the coast and harbours.
Looking forward to it
I assume your post is 'tongue in cheek'.
I think you would be rather unpleasantly surprised by the reaction of the 'locals' to a 'leisure yacht' turning up in their vicinity.
The welcome you would receive is likely to be extremely unfriendly..........Try to see it from their point of view....Bill
That does rather depend on what you actually do. One of the joys of anchoring is that you are not dependent on shoreside facilities if you are well organised. Even here on the south coast you could easily spend a week cruising and anchoring every night - although that may not be the case if everybody shifts from marina stops to anchoring. My boat stays in all year round and I shall keep it ready to go for when restrictions on movements are lifted, although in fact I could drive the 15 minutes to the boat, set off and have a good sail around without going near another person. However, I am extra restricted on account of my kidney transplant and immuno supressant drugs and my family might not approve!
Like (almost) everyone else I have no control over how things develop (other than trying to avoid getting infected) so will just have to wait and see.
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Hi clivert
You will now have heard that your not going sailing, news tonight from are Prime minister. But this will probably not apply to you, because if you can remember sailing before marinas you must be around 70 therefore you should be self isolating for 12 weeks.
Symphony I read your articles as they are always well thought out and of interest, I am sorry you have a medical problem and will now have now been put back by this virus, don't take chances just spend more time writing your reports on here. Good luck👍
Jet-et-Ross
My boat is on my trailer the only problem is don't think we will be allowed to work on them so sad really as we are all getting older and willing to work on them it does keep us going😥
Armchair sailor we'll this year
Mick
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Our boat stays in all year round because I don't like anti fouling etc in the winter ( cold hands, cold feet and constantly dripping nose ). Much easier in the spring/ summer when the weather is warmer and the yards are half empty.
I can't think of a better way of self isolating than being at anchor or even on a mooring buoy well away from everyone else.
Wake up in the morning in a quit anchorage listening to the birds, just magic.
Supposed to be moving to a new mooring next week.
Guess I will have to sort something out now.
Roll on summer. Still much to enjoy.⛵️😊
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we have just got back from Barra in the Hebrides on Sunday , Cal mac ferry's have stopped taking any more bookings until July, I think we may have been on one of the last flights out from Barra as the staff at the runway were suggesting they may move to medical only flights soon.
looks like the islands that way are going to lockdown, they do not have the medical resources to cope if anything goes big out there.
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Hi diverphil.
As a local from a Scottish West Coast island, now a pensioner, the lockdown you mention is fully supported by all who live and work in these remote places.
Because you are quite correct, our medical cover and the resources available are limited to the skill and dedication of 2 GP's and a couple of nurses, so if an emergency occurs then, well it can be quite a problem.
This is something we all have to understand, Folk have multiple jobs and we need to keep working, the livestock wont feed itself, the farmed fish need tending, ferries need to still run etc.
e.g. In the past I've worked the livestock, worked fishfarm boats, Driven local taxis, supplied animal feedstuff and when younger, flew air-taxis on the mainland for a time, everybody is in the same boat so to speak, and injures are unfortunately common.
(incidentally, these days more kayakers/divers are being lost than fishermen...sign of the times)
We also have an ageing population.
So if Covid-19 became endemic locally, then there wouldn't be the spare medical capacity to cope, the casualty rate could be a serious problem.
So, when when I suggest that a visiting yacht from parts unknown would be extremely unwelcome, it's because it could be a potential 'plague ship', so please nobody take offence if we ask the yachties to stay at home in the meantime...You'll be very welcome when it's over....
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we had an email yesterday that pwhelli marina is closed, also hard standing locked. no access for anyone.
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Same with our clubhouse and marina. Review in 3 weeks.
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we had an email yesterday that pwhelli marina is closed, also hard standing locked. no access for anyone.
And Caernarfon Marina as well, both are operated by the local councils. In addition ABC Powermarine boatyard at Beaumaris is in lockdown, so no boat lift in or out. I’m waiting to hear whether Holyhead Sailing Club moorings within Holyhead harbour will be available or not, but the answer is likely to be not, because as much as anything getting there, or in fact to any Marina or mooring anywhere else, would most likely not be considered to be essential travel. Holyhead Marina continues to remain very largely out of use following the winter storm early in 2018 except for a very limited number (three I think) pontoons where temporary berthing may be possible so long as someone remains onboard. Also, and similarly Jen et Ross comment regarding the coastal areas of Scotland, an Anglesey councillor very recently stated that the island of Anglesey was closed, and for the very same reasons.
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If it's of any interest (and you have a computer), have a look at 'eSail'. It's a sailing simulator and, whilst still new and being developed, the weather/waves/anchoring/boat physics is really quite immersing (ahem). It's a simulator rather than a game but is great fun, there's lots to explore and it's cheap. Reviewed very well last year in PBO and YM and has been developed further since then.
Figaro was due to lift out on Monday (postponed UFN) but at least I can still get my 'fix' whilst I'm stuck at home. Here's the link to the site - https://www.esailyachtsimulator.com/ . Have had occasion to talk to Chris, the developer, in the past and he's very enthusiastic and helpful so I suspect it'll be properly supported in the future.
Stay safe, everyone.
Best regards
Note: Plymouth's Sutton Harbour Office is closed and liveaboards asked to leave if possible, but, Thursday, QAB is still open.
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I wish that season 2020 would come but I doubt it. In beginning travel within federal state on water was still allowed yet since yesterday notice to mariners out that all pleasure crafts not allowed to leave or enter any port in my federal state. Germany baltic sea bay of Lübeck /Kiel /Flensburg. :'(
Yet I think a luxury problem if I look to other countries and peoples situation....
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RYA .update May 10th
From Wednesday, 13 May unlimited outdoor activity will be permitted in England, and we understand that this will include all forms of boating. The Prime Minister also indicated that people would be permitted to travel to other destinations in order to exercise. Any activity will still need to be alone or with members of a single household, and social distancing must be followed at all times.😀
In Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the return to boating has not yet been confirmed. We will continue to work with our Home Country colleagues to monitor the situation and to lobby for a responsible and safe return for boaters in all parts of the UK😂
Enjoy
Mick
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Sailing on the Great Lakes will be open. We can launch boats now and can hopefully sail to other marinas soon.....
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Morning
I'm working overseas I believe you will have to self isolate when you enter the UK from Non European countries , I will not be returning till Mid to end July so can I (If) sailing is open in Scotland self Isolate on my boat and go to anchorages!!
Mike
Artemis
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Not sure the quarantine measures will actually happen as already there is a deal with France and the common travel area (Ireland, CIs and IoM) that it will not apply to them. This makes universal application difficult and of course opens up loopholes, particularly if the Europe lifts restrictions.
On a more positive note, clubs and marinas are already opening up. From today our club will allow access to boats for maintenance and preparation for launching. Haul out and launching has already started. It is expected that there will be guidance from govt by the end of the week on recreational sailing. There is currently a barrier across our marina entrance and the expectation is that this will be removed either Friday or Monday to allow boats out provided they are used in line with the guidance. This of course only applies in England, although I see that Wales has already backtracked and allowed golf courses to open. I wonder how long the devolved administrations will hold out on their independent courses.
Let's hope the good weather continues.
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Can I put a little perspective on this.........
Bearing in mind that the UK as a whole has had to date about 36000 confirmed deaths from Cov-sar-2 infections and an estimated total of 45000+ or so deaths where Covid-19 was a factor, and this is certain to rise significantly.
By comparison....
The Western Isles (largely due to the very early intervention of CalMac, Loganair and Flybe (r.i.p) in halting non-essential travel,) recorded 6 confirmed cases about 6-7 weeks ago, these have all long since recovered, and there have been NO deaths.
Please understand that the thought of pleasure craft from the South entering these waters is a worrying prospect for this fragile community and that up here the marinas/moorings and harbours are still closed to all but commercial traffic.
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I appreciate your concerns - however there are very sound reasons why small isolated communities have not been affected. They simply do not have the conditions that allow the virus to spread. Currently, London with a population of around 9m has an estimated new cases figure around 25 a day. Why is it so low? - because the activities that provide the environment for transmission have ceased. Crowded pubs, tube trains, buses etc no longer exist. You can clearly see this from the graphs of the deaths in London - rapid rise then steep fall as soon as lockdown started. Compare this with Scotland, Wales, or indeed all the other areas where there are few large conurbations where the graphs are flat. In particular the South West where I live, is not only flat but extremely low. Dorset has the lowest number of cases per head of any county, despite having a large number of care homes, an elderly population and a conurbation with a population of nearly 1/2 million. One of the major problems of dealing with this pandemic is the need (choice?) to govern by slogan, and apply the same policies across the nation(s). I applaud the devolved governments for diverging, even though they are driven by largely political motives. We have fallen into the same trap as we did with Aids - trying to make this "everybody's" disease when it is clearly not. Transmission now is almost 100% related to care settings - hospitals and care homes. It is not transmitted in the open, or even in shops (how many supermarket checkout staff have caught it even though they are exposed to hundreds of people a day?).
Long winded way of saying you don't have anything to fear from visiting yachtspeople, but be wary of any healthcare worker who has recently worked in a setting where there are infected people.
Anyway, at the moment you won't see any visiting yachts as national rules forbid overnight stays on yachts. Our club opened up late last week and is a hive of activity as members get their boats ready or go out for a day's sail if they are ready. Even though I am in the extremely vulnerable group, I have no qualms about going to my boat - indeed will be off soon to do some varnishing. If it was ready for sailing, I would be out today, but my lift has been delayed until next week (should have been 8 April). Hopefully by the time the boat is launched that restriction will have gone and normality will resume (for sailing at least).
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Hi Symphony, many thanks for giving my post some thought and offering a view on the situation.
While I completely agree with most of your comments, there are a couple of additional points to consider purely from a 'island' point of view.....
That is that the 6 cases I mentioned, all as far as I understand it, originated in Stornoway, via harbour activities, because there were so few it was possible to trace contacts and quarantine those involved...So, since there have been no more in the intervening weeks we can assume the the islands don't have anybody who is carrying the virus at present. It would be rather tragic if that happy situation changed.
Also, unlike 'Aids' this IS everybody's disease, unlike Aids it is highly infections, so can, as has spread through unsuspecting communities before anyone knew it was there, Aids could not do this..
I'm actually relating the views of our daughter, who is in the 'front line' of this as a Consultant Geriatrician, currently in Glasgow though did spend specialist training in Stornoway....She and her colleagues are very frightened by this infection and the possibility of a second spike if the 'lock-down' is lifted too soon.
Not just due to the mortality but the strangely and unexpected high incidence of severe morbidity that many are burdened with on 'recovery'.
Anyway, I hope we can all set sail again at some point and the economy hasn't been totally tanked............
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Yes, the answer is in contact tracing and isolation and as has been shown in countries that are good at it, the hot spots follow a distinct pattern being volumes of people in close proximity in confined spaces - night clubs, religious gatherings, migrant worker dormitories, close knit multi-generational communities as examples, in addition to the obvious health care settings. While it is more infectious than Aids and the transmission is different, its effects for the majority of the population are less severe than flu viruses. For those who are more severely affected, the elderly, those with existing conditions, probably those from some ethnic backgrounds, the strategy is to avoid being in a position where you can get infected. Some, like me who are active and in control of our own actions do this by following simple rules. Others, such as those who work in certain environments, or are of necessity in a vulnerable setting like a care home or hospital do not have the same choice. The result is what we see daily in the figures.
The challenge for our leaders is to propose policies that recognise these differences in risks and consequences. As we see from the current debate over opening schools (a low risk and low consequence move) they are hit with a wall of unfounded fear for which they are partly to blame because of their own campaign to make this "everybody's" disease.
Thankfully, recreational sailing is in the very low risk and consequence category of activities, particularly if all of the potential transmitters are traced and quarantined. Apart from not being able to stay on the boat overnight, singlehanded and family group sailors do not have any unique restrictions under the current rules in England. Equally they are unlikely within those rules to sail to any other nation in the UK.
We must be grateful for any bit of good news these days!
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Well it looks like we are back on the water from the 4th July but we're do we go?
Scotland not open
Ireland not open
Wales. Not open
Isle of Man not open
So if you hear of anywhere that's open can you post it and we all might meet up there ;)
Thanks
Mick
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Wrong end of the country but lots of activity in Poole, but so far no overnighting. First went out on 16 June and it was almost like a summer weekend, what with lovely weather (but no wind) and lots of owners on furlough. Nearly all club boats back in the water except mine which had to come out for re coppercoating the keel. Will be back in Thursday and raring to go.